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Phil Jackson says the Celtics offered Jae Crowder for a 2nd round pick

Chuck - Red's Army August 26, 2016 Celtics News, Jae Crowder 32 Comments

Phil Jackson had a chance to trade for Boston’s Jae Crowder in 2014 and opted instead to acquire a second-round pick. He calls this decision, which was part of the Tyson Chandler /Raymond Felton trade, his biggest mistake as Knicks team president.

Jackson made his remarks in an interview with Charley Rosen after the season that was published Friday by Today’s FastBreak:

Here is Jackson’s full quote from the interview: “I don’t consider hiring Fish [Derek Fisher] a mistake because he worked hard and got the guys to stay as positive as possible while the losses piled up. I think the biggest mistake I made was actually this. … One of the first deals I engineered when I came back to New York was to trade Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas for Shane Larkin, Jose Calderon, Wayne Ellington, Samuel Dalembert, plus a second-round pick that the Mavs owed to the Celtics. In talking with Boston, I was given the option of taking that pick or else taking Jae Crowder. I liked Crowder but I thought he wouldn’t get much of a chance to play behind Carmelo, so I took the pick, which turned out to be Cleanthony Early. While Cleanthony has missed lots of time in the past two seasons with us, he still has the potential to be a valuable player. Even so, I should have taken Crowder.

My initial reaction is… bullshit. Danny Ainge is too smart to make this offer.

But… Jae Crowder wasn’t doing much prior to his arrival in Boston. He was a defense first player, averaging 5 ppg in about 15-17 mpg. His offense didn’t really evolve until Brad Stevens entered the mix.

So this season when Crowder is running wild, thank your lucky stars that Phil Jackson isn’t smarter than Danny Ainge.

Justin Ruiz

That Knicks-Mavs trade happened in June 2014, and Crowder joined the Celtics in Dec 2014. This is just another indication of how the *Mavericks* undervalued Jae….and another sign of how much PJ has been paying attention in his two years at the Knicks’ helm. There was no Boston involvement at all in this deal.
RedsLoveChild

Anyone stupid enough to trade away the starting center, of the soon-to-be world champions in Feb of 2011, is capable of any dumb-ass move!

Jackson`s words carry a “ring of truth”…..”Traitor Dan” is definitely dumb enough to make that offer to NY.
- zippittyay
  
  and the OKC people are still fuming mad at that trade…..
  - RedsLoveChild
    
    If they`re mad, they have no right to be.
    
    OKC`s winning percentage took off like a rocket right after that trade, while Boston`s plummeted.
    - zippittyay
      
      Let’s review. Celtics had a record of 33-10 in games Perkins *missed* due to injury. They had a record of 19-3 in games where Shaq played over 20 minutes. Both Jeff Green AND Kristic put up superior stats compared to Nate Robinson and Perkins. Perhaps Ainge got some incorrect intel from the medical staff regarding Shaq, maybe it was just bad luck. Maybe we could have beaten the Heat with Perkins playing, but I kinda doubt it.
      - zippittyay
        
        Oh, and maybe we might have won without Perkins had d-wade not taken out Rondo’s elbow.
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        Yeah, it`s been a “non-stop party” for us ever since Ainge engineered that genius trade with OKC in 2011!
        
        In a flash, Boston went from “dominant-to-irrelevant”, before eventually hitting rock bottom in 2014.
        
        Meanwhile, OKC was catapulted to elite status for the next half dozen years.
        
        One would`ve expected a GM to have at least considered the concept of “team chemistry” before making this uncalled for and unnecessary trade. Boston had tons of it before the trade, as their 41-14 record indicates. After the trade, they proceeded to go 14-12.
        
        With Perk on the roster, Boston was 3-0 that year v. Miami. After the trade, they were 0-1 v. Miami {losing by 23}, before being eliminate by Miami {4-1} in the playoffs.
        
        That`s called “instant karma”.
      - zippittyay
        
        And where are one game away from taking out Miami the next year in the playoffs. Was that Danny Ainge his fault too?
      - zippittyay
        
        “In a flash” we went to one game away from eliminating the Heat in the Eastern Conference Finals and denying LBJ his first ring the very next year? You blame THAT on Ainge too? The Garnett and Ray Allen trade was *supposed* to give us a ‘3 year window’ to win a championship. Ainge managed to exceed that expectation. We knowingly mortgaged our future to win at that time, YET made the playoffs in 8 of the next 9 years and we now are ready to bust down the door to the finals AND have the brightest outlook of ANY team in the league as far as both current salary AND future draft picks!
        
        Danny can’t draft! Danny can’t trade! Yet you NEVER, EVER, seem to come up with your list of all those GMs who have done better than Daniel Ray Ainge, and that’s “Mr. Ainge” to you
      - Richard Jensen
        
        I love how RLC assumes correlation = causation. Like how Perk didn’t even play in two of those wins against Miami (which came early in the season when Miami was 0-0 and 5-4), but somehow he was the reason they won.
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        Funny thing happened….OKC`s fortunes took off the moment that trade was finalized.
        
        OKC was 36-22 {.621%} the day of the trade, then immediately went 19-4 {.826%}!
        They never looked back, until this summer when they lost KD.
        
        And I love how “team chemistry” is so readily dismissed when discussing this particular trade.
        
        As if replacing the locker room presence of a popular, gritty, hard working, defensive anchor, who played a significant role in the 2008 Unbuntu Celtics will be effortlessly accomplished…..by simply bringing in {at mid-season no less} the very lackadaisical Jeff Green and a homesick Nenad Krystic who yearns to return to Serbia!
      - Richard Jensen
        
        How on EARTH did OKC survive the loss of Kendrick Perkins? Because, you know, team chemistry is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo important.
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        So, now you`re making the mind-numbing argument that “team chemistry” is an irrelevant/meaningless concept….that plays little {if any} role in the success of a team seeking a championship?!?
        
        Screw Unbuntu!
        
        You no longer want to talk about OKC`s 19-4 record in the immediate aftermath of the trade?
        
        How oddly strange it was that the talent of RW and KD went into overdrive {and OKC launched their ascension}….the very day they replaced lazy ass Jeff Green and crappy Krystic with Perk!!
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        We`re no longer talking about 2011?
        Gee, I wonder why!
        
        So, now we`re on to 2012?
        You mean the year Chris Bosh sat out the first four games of that BST-MIA series?
        That was also the year Boston eliminated PHL to earn the right to play MIA.
        Of course, prior to losing to Boston, PHL beat a Chicago team that lost Derrick Rose in Game 1 due to a severe knee injury. Without the Rose, Chicago would`ve eliminated CHI and BST without breaking a sweat, setting up the highly anticipated CHI-MIA EC Finals.
        
        8 of 9 years? I`m so glad that you view making the playoffs, with no possible chance of winning a ring, is such a stupendous accomplishment!
      - forever_green
        
        Shaq has said himself that he wasn’t going to be alright and advised Danny not to make that trade, and when the time came Shaq also said he tried to give it his all but just couldn’t play.
        
        Is Shaq lying IDK, but it was still a bad trade either way IMO.
- Richard Jensen
  
  Yeah. They’ve got “ring of truth” if you pay absolutely no attention to the context. Crowder was on the Mavs when the Knicks traded for Chandler.
  
  And, unlike PJ, who took a 2nd rounder instead of Crowder, the Celtics had asked after Crowder before the Rondo trade.
  - RedsLoveChild
    
    Now that Jackson has made his comments to the media, Ainge has a clear opportunity to “set the record straight” by rebutting them.
    
    What`s stopping him?
    - Richard Jensen
      
      Common sense. It’s patently obvious that Boston could not have traded Jae Crowder to the Knicks in June of 2014.
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        So, why isn`t Ainge publicly saying those very words?
        
        Using your logic….Ainge has no problem with Phil Jackson going to the media, where he publicly rewrites history to make Ainge look bad.
        
        Yeah, that makes sense.
      - Richard Jensen
        
        You’re not using my logic. Ainge has better things to do than correct PJ’s faulty memory.
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        Like what, playing golf?
      - jrleftfoot
        
        Maybe Ainge and Crowder speak privately. You need to see a doctor about your OCD
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        Weak…..maybe they don`t.
      - jrleftfoot
        
        The point is you don`t know. You are flailing like a blind man in a swarm of bees to get around the actual FACT that it couldn`t have been your favorite whipping boy who offered Crowder for a second rounder. You seem to live a miserable existence as a Celtic fan. I don`t love Ainge or hate him. Didn`t like the Perkins trade when he made it. Might have been a mistake . Adults get over things and don`t judge every action somebody makes over some perceived prior wrong. Your constant whining is pathetic . And weak
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        Let`s recap.
        
        Phil Jackson is saying…”In talking with Boston {Ainge}, I was given the option of taking that pick {a 2nd rounder} OR taking Crowder.”
        
        Celtic fan says {in essence}…Ainge is a very smart GM, he would never do that.
        
        To which I replied {in essence}…Ainge is a moron, look at his track record, he`s certainly dumb enough to do that, and a hell of a whole lot worse {OKC trade for instance}.
        
        Some feel the Jackson is lying. They believe the Jackson-Ainge conversation could NOT have occurred in the first place {you seem to fall in that category}.
        
        IF you guys are right and Jackson is wrong…it would seem that Jackson is “re-writing” history, in a way that makes Ainge looks bad.
        
        The logical next step would be for Ainge to call out Jackson, saying that Phil has his facts confused.
        
        At the same time he could publicly praise Jae. Offer him reassurance as to where he stands with the Celts.
        
        However, Ainge isn`t doing any of that.
        Why? Well, maybe Jackson IS telling the truth after all.
        
        If you see that as “weak pathetic flailing” on my part, fine.
        
        You`re entitled to your “weak pathetic” opinion.
        
        The pathetic souls that are flailing are ones who cannot stop praising the clueless GM of the Celtics
      - jrleftfoot
        
        It couldn`t have occurred because Crowder wasn`t a Celtic at the time of the trade. how frigging difficult is it for you to wrao your ” brain ” around that?
      - RedsLoveChild
        
        So, that means Phil Jackson is lying to media.
        
        Therefore, Ainge is an absolute fool for not pointing that out, and giving “life” to Jackson`s lie.
        
        Also, Ainge`s silence might reasonably cause Crowder to wonder exactly where he stands with the Ainge, and his future in Boston.
        
        How f**king difficult is it for your “brain” to process that?
        
        Keep defending this moron {Ainge} at all cost.
        
        According to you, Ainge “might” have made a mistake in that OKC trade.
        Might?!? The best team by far in the EC immediately implodes after that trade…yet, you`re still not sure if it was a “mistake”!
Timi

Guys, it were the Celtics that owed the pick to the Mavs from Kelly Olynyk’s trade so why would they even be in those discussions if they didn’t owe that pick any more at the time? I don’t think Danny was involved at all, it were probably the Mavs who gave Jackson the option to choose between that pick and Jae.
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Rick Rice

Ha ha jokes on you Phil!
John Gray

If you are going to write something, perhaps reading is the first step. Boston was not involved at this point and time for Crowder, it was rather that the Knicks were offered either a second rounder from Dallas, or Crowder. Jackson chose the 2nd rounder. This was the deal that sent Chandler and Felton to the Mavs and a year or more before the C’s acquired Crowder from the Mav’s.
MJ

Yeah I think either there was a misprint or Jackson just said the wrong team. He may have mentioned Crowder’s name with Boston because Crowder’s on the Celtics now but I’m pretty sure he meant Dallas. The Chandler trade happened before the Rondo trade so it makes no sense that Crowder would be mentioned in the Chandler trade talks with the Celtics involved since he wasn’t on the team at the time.

Anyway, this just speaks to what happens when the right player meets the right system. Crowder is now a fantastic player playing in a system that suits him, but would he really have made those same strides playing behind Carmelo? I don’t think so. Crowder shined because the Celtics gave him the opportunity to do so, and I think even they didn’t know the full extent of Crowder’s abilities when they added him. Phil can wonder about what could have been, but I’m not sure Crowder becomes half the player he is now if he had been traded to the Knicks.

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