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In the Spin Room: Looking at the Chicago loss

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Some people are positive… some people are negative… some are in between. We’re trying this new feature to look at games from each perspective and maybe get to the heart of what’s really going on. Welcome to the Spin Room.

The Celtics lost to the Bulls last night…

Positive spin: It was the second night of a back-to-back and it was Chicago’s home opener. Of course Chicago was going to come out with more energy, of course Dwyane Wade was going to come out with some fire in his homecoming, and of course the Celtics were going to struggle a little bit having traveled from Boston to Chicago to play this game. This might be the only time ever in which Wade, Jimmy Butler, Rajon Rondo, and Michael Carter-Willams all hit a 3 in the same game. And after all that, they still had chances to tie the game late. A full-strength squad wins this game, so there’s nothing to really worry about.

Negative spin: Throw out the Bulls’ shooting. That’s an aberration that no one really cares about. That fluke isn’t what cost Boston the game, it’s the fact that they got busted 55-36 on the boards and were outscored 18-3 in second chance points. Meanwhile the team that was supposed to run-and-gun managed 76 shot attempts while the Bulls got out and put up 92 shots. Yeah, we could have used Marcus Smart, but where the hell was the rest of the defense? It’s one thing to play well and get beaten by a fluky hot shooting performance… it’s another entirely to have your hallmark defense really fail you two games in a row.

Amir Johnson didn’t have his best game…

Positive spin: Not his best game out there but early foul trouble hampered him. It’s hard for a guy to get going and be aggressive defensively when he’s got two fouls on him 1:15 into the game. He knows the Celtics are short-handed, and so did Brad Stevens, so that’s why he stayed out there. Maybe it wasn’t the best decision in the world to ask a guy to play with two early fouls like that, but they did and he did what he could while trying to avoid a third foul. The refs kinda chopped his balls off there, and he did what he could with it.

Negative spin: OK sure, he had a couple of early fouls, but Brad Stevens started Tyler Zeller in the second half for a reason. Let’s face it, it’s his 12th year in the league, he’s had health issues, and he’s never been the most mobile guy to begin with. This is something we’re going to have to live with, and something Danny Ainge is going to have to fix, and maybe soon. Younger, more mobile bigs will give us trouble. Did you see those rebounding numbers last night? The Celtics had to use Zeller for most of the second half!!! This is not a good sign at all.

Jaylen Brown had that critical turnover… 

Positive spin: Shocker, a rookie got a little overzealous in a big moment. So what? OK yeah, it was a horrible spot for it, but the fact that he’s already trusted in that spot is a good sign. He’s already shown he can get himself to the rim and finish, and this is a teachable moment. A mistake in the clutch is inevitable and it happens to everyone (Remember Jae Crowder’s terrible inbounds pass against the Nets?) so there’s no reason to overreact. And again, on a fully healthy squad, he might not even be out there so let the rookie make his mistakes and learn.

Negative spin: Teachable moments are fine, but not when they directly contribute to a loss. Remember last season when we finished in a million-way tie and slid to the 5th seed instead of the 3rd? Remember how much that hurt? All these avoidable losses add up, and putting a rookie in that spot was unfair to him, and unfair to the team. Injuries or not, putting a kid who just turned 20 in that spot was doomed to fail.

Al Horford was kind of quiet… 

Positive spin: Al Horford isn’t a “fill the stat sheet guy,” and even with the slow start he and Crowder were the most effective starters. Remember when he keyed a huge comeback with a couple of shots and a sweet pass to Tyler Zeller? Horford can do a lot to raise everyone’s game and he did it again last night. If you’re looking for a scapegoat, look somewhere else. He led the team in rebounds and assists last night, so his impact was pretty big.

Negative spin: Do you see how much we’re paying this guy? Yeah the rebounds and assists were great, but we needed more points. In a situation like last night, we need to be able to say “hey Al, here’s the ball, we need a bucket.” He’s a good enough post player to get that job done. The Bulls aren’t trotting out DeAndre Jordan or anything, so is it too much to expect a multi-time All Star to go get some buckets for us in a game that was there for the taking? Maybe Al could be this unselfish when he’s got Paul Milsap, Jeff Teague, and Kyle Korver… all willing shot-takers… to score baskets. But on this team, in that situation, needs Horford to flip whatever switch he needs to flip to become a scorer.

That’s the spin room. Where do you fall on these? Positive? Negative? In between? Continue the conversation in the comments.

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  • JT Hirons

    Good stuff keep this going

    • thanks

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  • KGino

    I think the word you’re looking for is “spin zone”

    • either works. The spin room is what they call the post-debate room… spin alley too… some variations

  • MJ

    Last night was frustrating but the matter of fact was, despite being on a back-to-back, being badly out-rebounded and seeing Wade do his best Stephen Curry impression, the Celtics still almost won. Hell it took a brain fart from an otherwise impressive Jaylen Brown and a contested 3 from Wade to put the game away.

    This team may have a little more growing pains than I thought but I think they’ll be fine. Last night they showed glimpses of what they could potentially be. They could definitely use a rebounder though.

  • Curt Hays

    Trade Amir and Bradley for Nerlens Noel and whatever else.

    • TruthHurts

      Whoa whoa whoa, you can have Nerlens for a bag of balls in a month or so once all of philys bigs come back healthy. You want to trade our best 2 way player on an amazingly team friendly contract for a one trick pony (its a great trick il admit 100+ blocks and 100+ steals a season) who is going to be a free agent after next season and will demand 15+ mil a year? Overreact much

      • Curt Hays

        Eh, my comment was more about Nerlens than it is about who we would be losing. I don’t mind keeping Bradley. I like him on the team, but to call Nerlens a one-trick pony is odd. At the bottom of this post, I will include current stats.

        Disregarding the rookie year of each player creates an immensely positive view of Nerlens. He scores as good or better than AB, and his defense inside is something we lack while maintaining a disproportionately greater perimeter defense.

        Nerlens might not be a stretch 5 who will step out and shoot 3s, but there is one thing that this team has lacked since the Nenad Krstic trade…an inside defensive presence (who can put back ORebs). Amir doesn’t do it well enough for what he’s paid. Amir can barely make it through the season. He is playing really well/hard right now…he will get injured because of it.

        Comparing the second year of Bradley and Nerlens, per 36 minutes of play:

        Nerlens scored more points.
        Nerlens had 6x as many blocks.
        Nerlens had twice as many steals,
        Nerlens had more than 3x as many rebounds.
        AB was WAY better at Free Throws.

        Comparing the full career of each, per 36:

        Equal on assists.
        Nerlens has almost 7x as many blocks.
        AB averages more points (this is due to the crappy rookie season being so heavily weighted for Nerlens).
        Nerlens has 50% more steals.
        Nerlens has 3x as many rebounds.
        Nerlens still shoots FTs like Rondo.

        • TruthHurts

          Perhaps I was a bit harsh. I’d just argued something similar with my friend and when I saw your comment in my head I was still arguing with him. Allow me to clarify.

          I like Nerlens, Everett kid who brings to the table exactly what we are missing. In a perfect world we would replace Amir with him and keep on trucking. When I called him a one trick pony I meant that at this point he is a D player only (a heck of a D player as I included some of his stats that make him truly unique).

          Im skeptical of any offensive stats that any member of the Sixers put up because in an NBA game where even the worst teams score 90+ someone has to get buckets and the rest of that roster didnt have anyone who would take those shots. Call it the Mike James theory. As you might remember MJ averaged 18 ppg for us as a point on a slew of awful teams, but in reality he is nowhere near a 20ppg scorrer. And while Avery was on the floor with 3 future HOF on a contending team he wasn’t there for his scoring so its unfair to compare their respective numbers because they played in opposite circumstances. At this point id trade Thomas before id trade Avery as I think that AB is improving every year offensively (just look at his ball handling) and is the best defensive guard in the league.

          Secondly I believe that Nerlens can be had for a much cheaper price. With Saric Embid Okafor Simmons and Noel there is a glut of bigs that will have to be resolved before the deadline.
          Furthermore because of his injuries by the time Noel’s contract comes up there will not be enough of a track record to justify giving him north of evan turner money especially if you are projecting how he will fit on your team. If we happen to get him and have him on board for 100+ games to see how he fits in it would be better to see if we should pay him going forward.

          • Curt Hays

            I’m totally with you in regards to waiting until Philly is ready to deal cheaply, to pick up Nerlens. I think we are in agreement about basically everything except for trading IT before AB. Not sure that I’m convinced yet. But, AB is still quite young.

          • TruthHurts

            Dont get me wrong I like Isaiah, Im just concerned that at 5’8 (no matter how big his heart is) he will be a liability on D, and in the crunch time on O he can be swallowed up by bigger players (think Shumpert in RD 1 2 years ago) Im hoping someone will be mesmerized with his numbers and give us something good. At this point I want Danny to trade for bigs as we have a guard backlog

  • zippittyay

    That no-call of Wade hacking the wrist of Green on the 3 pointer to tie with about 25 seconds left was a killer. Should have had 3 FTs, instead ball out of bounds off of GG and Miami ball. Ballgame.

  • art

    Let Mickey play. This midget team (confirmed smallest in the NBA) has nothing to lose with another undersized player who is a talented shot blocker and rebounder. Amir Johnson is a disappointment.