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Your Morning Dump… Where we have an Evan Turner problem

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Again, with Turner it’s a complicated situation. He’s just good enough to demand a good return in trade, but not good enough to want to keep over the other guys, even if he’s better than they are right now.

See how this is kind of a trap?

The versatile Turner has worked hard to build a place in this league, and has done enough to show he’s an NBA rotation player. Yet Boston finds itself trapped between the former No. 2 pick and a hard place, with no clear solution for the problem of Turner being not-bad.

CBSSports – Evan Turner’s not bad, and that’s a problem for the Celtics

Countless words are spilled over who will emerge in the Celtics’ crowded front-court, who from the rookie class is going to contribute right away, how big of a leap will Marcus Smart make in year two, will the additions of Amir Johnson and David Lee further cement the Cs as a playoff team in the East?

And then there’s Evan Turner. KWAPT touched upon him in a dump last week and how his presence makes things murky for the Cs. Turner was a pleasant surprise and a catalyst for last year’s squad. Seen as a draft bust after the Sixers selected him 2nd in the 2010 draft, Turner did stall the offense with his ball-pounding from time-to-time and often made you cringe with his shot-selection and his ugly three-point shooting, but he just as often made eye-popping passes that propelled the offense, rebounded well for his position and finished in traffic or in the mid-range on contested jumpers.

His Pierce-like “get out of my way and let me win this game” buzzer-beater against the Hawks before the All-Star break and his game-winning, possibly season-saving corner trey in Portland demonstrated his ability to rise up in crunch time and even though he was inconsistent and underwhelming in the post-season, he admirably carried out his defensive assignments against the best player in basketball.

Evan Turner showed he could be a rotation player on a good team, and by all accounts, the Celtics look like they could be a good -not great- team again this season.

The thing is, the Celtics don’t want to be a good team. They want to become a great team. There are all sorts of ways to do that: player development, a marquee free agent signing (still hasn’t happened), a trade that brings in a star and ships out promising, young talent.

None of those paths to greatness involve giving Evan Turner meaningful minutes. When it comes to player development, the Celtics need to play Marcus Smart at the point. They can sprinkle in Terry Rozier as the season progresses if they want to develop him on the ball as well. Playing Turner at the one, where he shined last season, is only going to stunt player development. It might not make the Celtics better in the present, but with projected development from Smart, and a pretty decent rookie season behind him, it’s not like the Cs will be sacrificing multiple wins by starting Smart over Turner. You could play Turner at the two or the three, but then you’re quelling the growth of two guys recently re-signed over the off-season: Jae Crowder and Jonas Jerebko. Danny Ainge didn’t sign either guy so that Evan Turner could take their minutes. Playing Turner at the two, perhaps as a back-up for Avery Bradley, also takes minutes away from two other young players: RJ Hunter and James Young. Plus, Turner has the prescience to know that playing him off the ball is a bad idea:

He even said last preseason, via MassLive, that any coach who sticks him in the corner to shoot three-pointers is no genius. That’s because he’s only an average to below average spot up shooter, hitting just 28.1 percent of his catch-and-shoot threes last season.

If playing Turner hurts the development of younger players, it in turn hurts the Cs chance to offer an appetizing package to a team with a disgruntled star. Just as the Cs were criticized in some circles for not featuring guys like Kelly Olynyk enough in the post-season, they’ll be criticized and negatively affected by playing a known commodity, Turner, over intriguing, unknown commodities like Young, Hunter and Rozier if a star player becomes available.

Even if the Celtics did decide to significantly decrease Turner’s minutes in favor of playing the younger guys, ET’s presence on the roster will make it tempting to play him more and more if and when the young guys struggle. If he’s off the roster, there’s no temptation.

Count me among those who feel bad agreeing with Moore’s assessment: Evan Turner was a really nice surprise last year. But he needs to go.

On page 2, George Karl’s dealt with all sorts of PGs, so clearly he can deal with Rondo

Asked how he sold Rondo on Sacramento after Rondo’s bad experience last season with Dallas coach Rick Carlisle, Karl said: “I just sold him on how I like to let my guys have freedom. I talked to him once before he signed and it’s going to be fun coaching him. I think he wants to lead our team but he also wants to be part of the decision-making, and that can be somewhat combustible but it can also work at a high level because I think we’re all trying to make the team the best.”

Karl pointed out his history of dealing with mercurial point guards during his 30-plus-year coaching career. The list is impressive.

“I had Gary Payton [in Seattle], Sam Cassell [in Milwaukee], Allen Iverson [in Denver], Chauncey Billups [in Denver]. Chauncey is challenging,” Karl said. “Andre Miller is probably not as challenging but he’ll be stubborn and wanting me to do it his way. I think all really good point guards have a trust and belief in themselves that sometimes causes conflict with the coaches.”

Boston Globe – Kings need George Karl, Rajon Rondo, DeMarcus Cousins on same page

Personally if I were George Karl, I would have sold him on the fact that he destroyed his reputation in Dallas last season, plays a position saturated with talent that matches or exceeds his, minus the ego and that our team chemistry is already shot to shit, so come on board, Rajon!

I forgot that Karl coached so many mercurial floor generals over the years, it’s possible that his experience with those guys will help him manage Rondo this season.

Karl’s messaging above, though, is contradictory and could already spell doom in working with Rondo. He says he allows freedom and encourages decision-making, but that it “can be somewhat combustible.” Considering Karl’s rumored rocky relationship with Boogie Cousins, adding in another “combustible” situation could make for quite a lot of fun schadenfreude for NBA fans outside of Sac-town.

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  • rondoing

    No, sorry but I disagree with the ET has to go argument. To me, you choose a plan and go with it. Either you tank and develop young player who are producing less or you play to win and put in the best players and that’s it. Young players have to outperform ET to deserve playing time in our current setting/direction. Let’s stick to that and encourage them to fight for their min. if they are doing a good enough job and are contributing around the same level as ET than I will be the first to choose the youngsters over Turner for similar contribution… But until then, I play the most deserving and get rid of those you can’t improve their game…

    • CFH

      I would add that one of the players whose growth ET is listed as quelling is Jerebko… who is almost 2 years older than ET. Maybe ET, who is all of 26 years old, can grow a little more too? I like Jerebko and don’t actually see him and ET as in competition for position-specific minutes, but it seems odd to me to argue that ET needs to be removed from Jerebko’s way because Jerebko joined the team a few months after ET did.

    • Dmitry

      Agree, let it be Monta Ellis vs Klay Thompson. When we see our Klay we’ll let Turner go =)

  • Curt Hays

    I really hope Rondo shuts up the haters again this year.

    • SNG

      Again? Same way he did last year?

      • Curt Hays

        The way he has in the past, if only temporarily. I think we can all agree that he only stirred up the haters last year.

  • Rick Rice

    I think you need to go!

  • zippittyay

    Turner should be a great back up point on a contending team, like say Shaun Livingston of the Clippers.

  • Jester00

    Ben enough about Even Turner don’t be a hater.

    ” ET is listed as quelling is Jerebko… who is almost 2 years older than ET. Maybe ET, who is all of 26 years old, can grow a little more too?”

    chill out drink a few beers and think about how to get rid of Young

    • CFH

      Huh. I guess that’s not the worst advice ever.

  • Micah Sharon

    Gary Payton left Karl in Miluakee, Chauncey Billups was traded from Denver and Allen Iverson was traded as well… Melo forced a trade to NY and Karl got Ray Allen traded…. Karl has a bad history w/ superstars…. he and Rondo will have issues as well as Rondo and Cousins and Karl and Cousins will have issues…. all the while, the Celtics will be in the best shape to acquire Cousins from the sinking Kings….

  • MJ

    The Turner situation is so confusing that I’m not sure what to think. On one hand:
    -Turner was the closest thing the Celtics had to a playmaker until Isaiah Thomas joined the team.
    -Turner proved to be surprisingly useful as a swiss army knife player who could play the 1, 2, and 3.
    -His stats may have been better his last year and a half in Philly, but those were 2 pretty bad teams. This year he proved he can be a rotation player on a good team. But on the other hand:
    -This will more than likely be the best we see of Evan Turner. He’s not going to improve much more from this season

    -Turner has proven he’s a rotation player on a good team, but he shouldn’t be running the offense of a contender. No sir.
    -The Celtics have intriguing young talent who could play Evan’s position (Rozier, Hunter, even PJIII could play the wing). Granted they are unproven, but if those guys prove they can replace Turner’s production, trading ET might be the best course of action.

    I’m with the crowd that says let’s wait to see if our young guys are good enough to run the team. If Marcus Smart proves he’s improved his playmaking abilities or if someone else proves he can run the offense besides Thomas, then Turner is definitely expendable.

    If not, then ET should stay.

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