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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Oof. Ugh. Yuck. During the first half of a 123-107 embarrassment, the Celtics essentially laid down on the parquet floor and begged the Denver Nuggets to score as many points as they wanted. Please, Emmanuel Mudiay, drive free to the basket enough times to build confidence in your broken jump shot. By all means, Wilson Chandler, overpower whichever smaller defender stands in front of you. Of course, Danilo Gallinari, feel welcome to slam a dunk straight through both of our big men’s hearts.

MassLive – Isaiah Thomas hangs 30 points, but Boston Celtics defense fails again during 123-107 loss to Denver Nuggets

“The nicest way I could say this is I think we play like a finesse team and [the Nuggets] play physical,” Celtics coach Brad Stevens said. “So I kind of saw that right out of the gate. They were getting where they wanted to on their drives. And that’s who we’ve been the last week.”

Stevens didn’t want to say “soft,” but he basically did. Without Jae Crowder and Al Horford, the Celtics have lost their defensive identity and are allowing opponents free reign at the rim without repercussions. They aren’t even fouling hard. They are slap fouls. They are not putting anyone on their backs.

So how is that method working so far? The Celtics are 3-3 and are allowing nearly 112 points per game. They are imposing no physical will on the game, and when they do, they foul. The Celtics attempted 119 free throws in six games. Their opponents? 182.

Globe – Arrogant Celtics aren’t holding up bargain on other end of the court

It’s only been six games, and we shouldn’t overreact, but last night’s game was embarrassing, a disaster, and puzzling as hell. The squad that fought hard in Cleveland last week was a complete no-show against Denver. This can’t be blamed on the injuries, and it’s also not a “can’t win ’em all” situation. No matter what, it’s the NBA and you still have to compete. Being demolished, wire-to-wire, at home, on two days’ rest, is not competing. The players know it, and Brad knows it.

We’re expecting a lot from this team. How they respond to this sudden crisis should tell us whether or not we’re expecting too much.

Related: CSNNE – Isaiah Thomas: “At This Point We’re All Talk” On Defense (post-game interview video) | Celtics Can’t Fight Back After Rough First Half, Lose To Nuggets, 123-107 | Stars, Studs And Duds: Nuggets’ Physicality Trumps Celtics’ Finesse | NESN – Celtics Wrap: Nuggets Demolish C’s As Boston Suffers Worst Loss Of Season | MassLive – Brad Stevens bashes Boston Celtics defense: ‘We play like a finesse team’ | Denver Nuggets beat down Boston Celtics: 10 things to like/dislike (mostly dislike) from a bad lossIsaiah Thomas calls Boston Celtics defense ‘all talk,’ but what has gone wrong? | Globe – Celtics routed by Nuggets | ESPN Boston – What’s wrong with the Celtics’ defense? | Herald – Bulpett: Fans let Celtics have it after ugly defeat | Celtics Notebook: Brad Stevens could make changes to rotation after ugly loss | Celtics defense pathetic in loss to Nuggets

On Page 2: Say no to no. 20

Ray Allen retired this week as the NBA’s all-time leader in 3-pointers made, a two-time NBA champion, and a forgotten Slam Dunk Contest entrant.

Allen played for the Celtics from 2007 to 2012, hitting 798 3-pointers during that time. Here are some of his biggest shots.

Boston.com – 8 times Ray Allen defined clutch for the Celtics (some thrilling highlights here)

Catching up on a topic from last week, Ray’s announcement stirred discussion about whether or not the Celtics should retire his number 20. The answer is simple: Nope.

First, some say if Kevin Garnett’s number goes to the rafters, so should Ray’s. But although they joined Boston in the same year, there’s really no comparison. KG resuscitated the franchise by establishing a ferocious defensive identity and winning mentality. He should’ve been MVP in 2007-08.

As much as I respect Ray and loved his clutch shooting when he played here, his impact on the team, and the fans, was in no way equal to that of KG. Just look at 2009. If Ray had missed those playoffs, we would’ve thought, “OK, the Cs can still win this.” But when injured Kevin was ruled out before Game 1, we all knew the end was a matter of time.

Ray’s departure – taking less money to join a rival – also works against him, and it should. In Red’s day, a number retirement demonstrated appreciation for a player’s loyalty. That’s why guys like Don Nelson and Jim Loscutoff are up there. Ray’s move was the opposite of loyalty.

Finally, there are concerns that the Cs have retired too many numbers over the years, and maybe so. If a line needs to be drawn, don’t make exceptions for someone who’s not clear cut. And Ray isn’t.

And, finally: 35 years of awesome

Last night was the 35th anniversary of the first time Mike Gorman and Tommy Heinsohn teamed up to announce a Celtics game. This is a longer partnership than any other broadcasting team in NBA history, and probably longer than any tandem ever. Most Celtics fans today have never known another duo, which is fortunate. They may be homers, but they’re our homers.

The Rest of the Links:

CSNNE – Beyond The Numbers: Thomas And Bradley Becoming Top-Tier Backcourt | Olynyk Feels ‘Really Good,’ Still Misses Game vs. Nuggets

MassLive – Boston Celtics notes: Jae Crowder will not rush back from ankle injury

Herald – Denver’s Jameer Nelson looks back fondly on short Celtics stint

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  • Dmitry

    Veteran sets the tone for the bench, last year we had ET, this year Gerald Green…the rest are youngsters…this is concerning so far

    • zippittyay

      It’s hard to take Gerald Green seriously with that stupid crap going on with his hair.

    • Curt Hays

      Gerald Green is a vet? Which branch? Lemme guess…Air Force!

  • Curt Hays

    Mike, I appreciate your comments in regards to Ray Allen. You appropriately mentioned his departure from Boston, but it wasn’t your focus. The relevant reasons why #20 shouldn’t be retired here are all rolled up into discussing the level of his impact on the team. Those reasons are sufficient without “blaming” it on his departure, and you did a respectable job is pointing out…while not ignoring the bad taste he left with his departure.

    Thank you.

    • Mike Dynon

      Thanks, Curt, much appreciated.

  • RedsLoveChild

    # 20 should definitely be retired.

    Larry Siegfried contributed greatly to 5 Celtic championships.

    • Mike Dynon

      Siggy! One of the Bouncin’ Buckeyes.

      • RedsLoveChild

        Hondo recommended the Celts to take a look at Siggy, and sign him in `63.

        Siggy repaid him by stealing, then marrying, Hondo`s girlfriend.

        • Curt Hays

          How the f do you know all this? Here’s a question for you: Who did Pistol Pete have a locker next to when he was a Celtic?

          • RedsLoveChild

            Whoa….I think you got me, Champ!

            Let`s see now, Spring of 1980.

            Bird was a rookie, but already a superstar, probably grew up as a Pistol Pete fan, would`ve welcomed his advice and Maravich would`ve been honored to give it.

            Cowens was still there, he and Maravich were both `70`s superstars, they could`ve had lots to talk about as well.

            It`s a coin flip…I`m guessing Bird.

          • Curt Hays

            Idk, I figure that the coach wouldn’t have been able to chase him away if he’d been in the locker next to Bird. Then again, maybe Bird is cocksure enough to have been part of the reason that Pete was treated so poorly. Maybe Bird didn’t like him. I thought that if anyone knew, it’d be you!

          • RedsLoveChild

            Head coach Bill Fitch was very much against the signing of Maravich. As far as I know, Fitch was the only one who had a problem with the signing.

            Fitch was super tough to play for, no nonsense guy who had brutally tough practices.

            Maravich was only 32, but looked like 52, very skinny and fragile looking, had difficulty keeping up at practices, he was a million years past his prime.
            Just 4 years earlier, he was easily the best guard in the NBA.

            Amazingly, Pete shot about 50% FG as a Celtic, and was “money” at the FT line.

          • Curt Hays

            All he wanted was one ring…and he quit one year too early. It makes me sad for him. His biography was fascinating (half of which was half about Press). Just amazing stuff. Interestingly enough, the extent to which he found Jesus ended up being the most satisfying thing in his whole life.
            It blows my mind that he died while playing ball with Jim Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, who I still hear about at election time. I suppose, in the end, it makes me happy that Pete was fulfilled. I just hope it was true. He was forced into building unparalleled skill, and he just never got enough recognition, in my mind.

          • RedsLoveChild

            What`s amazing to me is that years earlier, Maravich said that he “doesn`t want to play for 10 years then die at 40 playing basketball.”

            Guess what, that`s exactly what happened!

            He died in some sort of gym, at a church in Pasadena.
            That same day, I was in an office building one town over {Glendale}.

          • Curt Hays

            That was the exact quote I was thinking of too. Yeah, it was a church gym. Most Baptist churches I’ve seen have a basketball gym. (In Texas anyway)

            You were one town over and didn’t get invited to play?

          • RedsLoveChild

            I know, right!

            Believe me, I was offended at the time but, got over it as the years went by.

            Pete had his share of demons, the alcoholism, etc. There were suicide attempts. Have to believe he was scarred by the demands Press put upon him from childhood on.

            He averaged 44 PPG at LSU w/o the 3-pt shot in effect.

            Years later, someone reconstructed his entire college career, based upon where his shots came from using the 3-pt rule.
            They determined that he would`ve averaged 51 PPG if it were in existence from `67-`70.

          • Curt Hays

            I always wondered if anyone had done that. 51 ppg for four seasons–Wilt could only do it for 1 season!

            People called him a ball hog, and that’s fine. It was designed that way…but look at the legacy of basketball at LSU. Pete (and Press) damn well built that house.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Maravich had something like a 44% FG while in college. That`s a high percentage given that he was primarily a long range bomber.

            He`s still the first guy anyone thinks of when LSU basketball is discussed, even though Bob Pettit was a huge LSU superstar before Maravich, and, of course, Shaq came along later.

          • Curt Hays

            Don’t forget Big Baby, Brandon Bass, and the GOAT… Jordan Mickey.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Oh man, how the hell did I forget those three?!?

          • Curt Hays

            I know you like the moves Danny makes, so you obviously love those guys.

          • RedsLoveChild

            I actually did like Big Baby…probably because the Celts won it all during his rookie year.

          • Curt Hays

            I don’t understand how he did so well filling for KG and when Dwight Howard was out, but he never did much else.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Yeah, 2009 playoffs was Baby & Perk alone in the paint against all of CHI and ORL.

  • zippittyay

    Time to make a move for The Brow.

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