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Your Morning Dump… Where the Celtics future looks bright, depending on who you ask

Ben Mark January 12, 2015 Celtics News, The Morning Dump 35 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

The goal here is to try to show you the path that Ainge and the team are navigating as part of their rebuild. There’s still a ton of work to be done, and Ainge has to make an awful lot of good decisions to accelerate this team back to contender status. But the moves the Celtics have made this season — and will continue to make — all are aimed at giving the team as many possible assets to work with, which increases the margin for error along the way.

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Boston still has enough talent that, in a head-shaking East, it will linger just outside playoff contention (though a tougher slate of upcoming games should drop the team back toward the lottery pack a bit). The Celtics certainly wouldn’t mind some additional help from the ping-pong balls this spring, but are not reliant on it.

No, Boston has positioned itself well with cap flexibility, a surplus of draft picks and a burning desire to leave this rebuild behind. Sometimes it’s hard to see the forest from the trees, but these Celtics are trying to navigate their way out of the woods.

ESPN Boston – Future in focus: A feather is their cap

Chris Forsberg concluded a triumvirate of posts on the “state of the Celtics” by taking a look forward into the off-season and beyond. If you’re a green-team loyalist, it’s the only way to conjure up hope of better days filled with playoff runs and banner aspirations. After this weekend, Danny Ainge is nearly done dealing away expiring deals and tradeable assets, so this is the perfect time to take the wide-lensed view of the organization. Part one, the detonation of the remnants of the Celtics’ playoff contender (2007-2012) is all but complete. Part two, the rebuild, has commenced.

Forsberg’s final piece from Sunday is optimistic. He admits that Ainge probably won’t hit big on every player he drafts, every deal he consummates and every free agent he attempts to woo (perhaps he should talk to the people who got the US Olympic Committee to somehow decide Boston was a good choice for the games), but that with so many avenues to explore, money to spend and players to draft, he doesn’t have to be perfect. It’s hard not to read to the bottom of Forsberg’s piece and think that Ainge has the Cs ready to contend in the not so distant future.

Now read Zach Harper’s take from CBSSports.com, but only if you’re looking for a major buzzkill.

Three players dealt; three first-round picks coming in. The Celtics are stockpiling cap space and draft picks over the next couple of years, and Ainge is being lauded as master of this rebuilding plan. The problem with the plan is the assets don’t seem to be as bountiful as they appear.

It’s easy to “win trades” when you’re not trying to win games. That’s precisely what the Celtics’ organization — not the players and coach Brad Stevens — are doing. I’m also not sure how much winning they’re doing with the restructuring for the future.

The Celtics have some bad draft pick luck and it’s the main thing affecting their rebuilding strategy. They just don’t have a lot of young players who figure to develop as major players or major trade chips. Over the past four years, they’ve missed badly on guys like JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. They’ve picked up nice role players in Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk, but nobody who looks like an All-Star quality big man in that lot. Marcus Smart and James Young still could prove very valuable, but and not much has been shown in the early stages.

They potentially have 11 first-round picks in the next four drafts, which sounds amazing. This is the type of flexibility that helped the Cleveland Cavaliers put together a good enough situation to bring LeBron James home. But there is no hometown Boston star in his prime out there looking to return to the Celtics.

CBSSports.com – Is this Boston Celtics’ rebuild going as well as everybody says it is?

Zach Harper: playing the role of Bob the campus security guard who made me pour three cases of beer down my dorm’s bathroom sink my freshman year of college (a story for another Dump and probably for another publication).

Harper makes some valid points. While Danny Ainge has drafted some nice players since the beginning of the Big Three era, none of them look like All-Stars right now. Unless someone demonstrates major growth, there doesn’t look to be a Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green or even Chandler Parsons out of the bunch: a diamond in the rough drafted outside the lottery of the draft on this roster. Ainge will have plenty of chances to find that player in the coming years, but his track record since Rajon Rondo doesn’t demonstrate a knack for him. Harper doesn’t even get into the fact that Boston’s never been a destination city for NBA free agents, but he does state that most of the unrestricted free agents who are set to hit the market in the next two years (LaMarcus Aldridge Marc Gasol, Kevin Love who headline 2015 and Kevin Durant and Al Horford in 2016) may very well re-sign.

With so many questions and possibilities and zero answers for what the future holds, the one thing the Cs can control is their on the court development. Both Forsberg and Harper give credence to the opposite side of their stance on the future of the Celtics. At this point, it is too early to tell, but there’s no doubt that Danny Ainge is doing everything possible to give us the answer sooner rather than later.

On Page 2, Who’s the Celtics go-to scorer? Everybody and nobody

As you look at the Celtics’ roster, you won’t find a single player who would even be considered among the top 10 players at their respective position, which is an absolute must for a go-to player.

“We gotta be more judicious in who we decide to go through and that’s been all season,” Celtics head coach Brad Stevens told reporters after Saturday’s loss at Toronto.

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Boston has played 12 games since the Rondo trade, with nine resulting in Celtics losses. Of those 12 games, the Celtics have had seven different leading scorers.

CSNNE – Celtics search for go-to scorer continues

The Celtics traded their leading scorer, Jeff Green, (officially) this morning and so scoring by committee isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. If I had to take a guess as to who leads the team in per game scoring from now until April, I’d go Avery Bradley. He has the green light to launch mid-range jumpers and corner threes and when the Celtics demonstrate lateral ball movement in their half-court offense, he’s the one guy who is willing and able to attack the rim with regularity when an opening appears

There will be some nights, though, for James Young and Kelly Olynyk to try and work consistency into their offensive games. The silver lining of not having a go-to player is that every player on the roster will have his time to try and shoulder some of the burden. Mistakes will be made. Shots will continue to be missed, but for those players who stick around long enough for the Celtics to round into contender status again, these could prove to be very valuable days.

The rest of the links:

Mass Live – Boston Celtics, Memphis Grizzlies, New Orleans Pelicans, agree on deal according to report

 

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  • Curt Hays

    Danny will probably go after Jabari Parker in a couple seasons. I hope we don’t have to wait that long before we get another chance to once again spread Celtic values around the world via popular attention. :)

    • forever_green

      It Will take longer because Danny has no concept of those Celtic values like we do.

      • bob

        Bet that took at least 5 seconds to come up with! Why don’t you spend an entire minute thinking before you write?

      • Curt Hays

        Dude, really don’t reply to bob. He’s a troll. I’ve seen three comments of his so far, and all three of them have been garbage designed to get someone to talk to him. Just ignore him. Don’t feed the trolls.

        • forever_green

          Ok, honestly I’ve never noticed him before.

        • bob

          First time I ever saw a poster making rules for another poster! How did Ainge’s players do tonight?

    • Dave

      In a perfect world we draft Thon Maker via our pick or Brooklyn’s, do some sign and trades for McLemore, Parker, and Schroeder for good measure when they’re looking to become free agents. Time to start cloning, we got the draft picks, we got assets, we got cap space, get it done Danny.

      • forever_green

        Well I just watched highlights of Thon and I’m sold. Only 17 right now and the guy is so thin but he reminds me of KG. I like that pick.

        • Dave

          Even better if it’s at Brooklyn’s expense, then KG would have indirectly brought us in baby KG. Athletic 7’1 big men with range and defensive potential don’t grow on trees so if we can get him it’s a no brainer.

    • Jester00

      you said troll LMAO

  • RedsLoveChild

    Nobody can say the Celtics` future is bright or bleak.
    Boston`s future is a “total mystery” to everyone, including Wyc, Ainge, Stevens, etc.

    Clearing the roster of it`s garbage {to make room for future players} is always the first and easiest step in the process. And make no mistake, every player Ainge discarded in the past year is G-A-R-B-A-G-E!

    The tricky part is finding the “ultra-scarce” NBA talent, in a league that has more teams {30} than talented players. Never confuse great athleticism with NBA excellence.

    Never view a first-round pick as a “priceless commodity”. Evan Turner was a #2 pick in a recent draft, today he`s a journeyman! Austin Rivers had NBA fans drooling 2 years ago, today Ainge hopes to get a 2nd round pick for him. These guys are not the exception.

    The draft produces 1-3 “decent-to-good” players per year. Every 5-10 years, the draft produces one epic, bona-fide super star.

    • bill_nair

      Its gonna be a long process. Hopefully we can just get a player who’s worth investing our time into (sooner rather than later).

      • KGino

        Smart is already that player for me. Hoping he can start to find some consistency in his offense, but that only begins if he starts taking it to the rim more

        • Dirk Diggler

          That big three ball last night was fearless. He is the future. … Olynyk should also be developed more, as he has an incredible offensive skill set. He needs minutes and touches.

    • swissflix

      Well, Smart was a good pick for starters. Except for Wiggins and Parker i would not trade him for any other player in the draft. And even Wiggins might not be such a good deal despite the tempting scoring numbers.

    • forever_green

      I agree with some of the things you said BUT that comment about players we traded away being garbage is just Terrible..I guess that’s just RLC being RLC again.

      • RedsLoveChild

        My mistake, FG.
        Perhaps I should have simply referred to them as “losers”, no?

        • KGino

          If garbage averages 16pts/10ast/7rebs/2steals over his last 4 playoff appearances (66 games total), I’ll take garbage any day of the week

          • RedsLoveChild

            Hey, it`s Kaye Jeano!!

            I see your boy is really killing it in Dallas!

            We`re talking .393 FG%, .333 FT%, and nailing 3`s at .214% when the opponent is not Boston.

            Can`t figure out why Mavs were playing .704 before the big trade…yet .636% since.

          • KGino

            Hey it’s Reds Let Me Make An Argument On A 12 Game Sample Child! Aka Reds I Can’t Read Context Kay Jeano Clearly Said Playoffs Child! Aka Reds Let Me Eliminate His Best Game For The Sake Of My Argument Child!

          • RedsLoveChild

            I`m sorry…you wanted to only discuss Rondo`s crazy-ass “playoff dominance”. Move over, Bill Russell!

            92 games : .445% FG .647% FT .277% from 3, 14 PPG, 9 DIMES.
            Ok, you got me, those numbers are truly “Jordanesque”!
            With those stats, hard to believe RR didn`t lead us to 5 rings.

            We all saw what other teams really thought of RR….DA got nothing but crap offers for a crap player!

          • KGino

            lol dude bringing up Rondos playoff 3 % is like bringing up Amare Stoudemires 3 point %. What does he have, 25 career playoff 3 pointers??? It’s not like he’s Ray Allen constantly launching 3s. And I would bet that he took about half of those as the shot clock expired. I’m surprised you didn’t bring up his shot blocking averages. Bottom line, his playoff 3 point % has hardly anything to do with how good he is since you again have such a garbage sample size.

            Also, again neglecting his elite-ness in rebounding and steals for the sake of your argument, whatever helps you sleep at night. Let’s watch how the mavs do in the playoffs. Also, garbage does not make 4 all defensive teams and an all star game.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Sorry bro, but…..RR is a guard {Amare isn`t}.
            Part of the guard “job description” involves nailing more than 1 out of every 4 or 5 threes.

            Was I also “out of line” by mentioning his hilarious FT%, which now makes him too fearful to aggressively attack???

            Toss in his admission he hasn`t played D in a couple of years, putting his b-day party ahead of the team he captained a year ago, his complete inability to attract quality FA`s to join him…and it`s to Ainge`s credit he was able to find anyone interested in acquiring “Mr. Hoping-To-Sign-A- Max Contract!”

          • KGino

            Where in the point-guard job description does it say you have to shoot 3’s again? Oh right, that doesn’t exist. And to prove you don’t need a PG who can shoot 3’s, let’s take a look at Tony Parkers 3 point % in the playoffs during his first 3 Championship Runs… 26.8% (15/56), 18.8% (9/48), 33.3% (7/21)… WOW! Tony Parker is GARBAGE! Not to mention Rondo has taken ONLY 28 career playoff 3’s and already won a ring… LOL. Great argument RLC.

            Also, it is fair game to point out his less than stellar FT%. That is the major flaw in his game. I appreciate you also pointing out that he shoots a much higher FT% in the playoffs, thus proving my point that he steps it up in the big moments and plays much better than “garbage” when it counts

          • RedsLoveChild

            You`re entertaining, Bud….I`ll grant you that!!!

            Enjoy the rest of your day.

          • KGino

            Lol yea you’re right, those points were gonna be way too hard to argue against. Might as well just give up!

  • bob

    Ainge trades off Celtic players like they are pieces of a chess game, ignoring the fact that these are real people that have developed friendships with each other. It doesn’t seem to matter what kind of relationships the players have formed or how much they have given to the team or fans over the years. I believe there is a growing number of fans that are hating Ainge for this. People are writing that he is an idiot. Some are defending him and believing in him. The players and coach have to continually adjust to playing with new players with different skills. The head coach has really had a tough job.

    Ainge also has a tough job. There are more players that might be traded soon (Bass, Thornton, Prince, Rivers and then Wallace this summer.) He might not get good offers for them. I think Ainge has to do a lot of what he is doing to build a great team. He is not focused on the present. Along with obtaining draft picks he has also cleared a lot of salary necessary to bring in one or two great and expensive players. He has obtained trade exceptions that will help him. Reminds me of Corporations laying off well paid workers and hiring Chinese labor. (It does make them more profitable) Whenever Ainge has made trades, I have felt supportive because I could see the necessity of what he is doing to build a great team for the future. It is far from an exact science. Draft days will be exciting to watch. I agree that the biggest problem with his success in accumulating lots of draft picks, is that most will be late picks that often don’t yield players any better than the ones in the development leagues. Lets hope he uses them very wisely. Interesting times for the Celtics fans, but frustrating and testing our patience big time. I feel certain that next year fans will start feeling better, and in just a few years we should have a team we are proud of. Good players are not great, but they are NOT garbage. Ainge traded some good players (Rondo, Wright, Green, aging Pierce and KG), but still have some good players. Time will tell! Go Celts and PATRIOTS and BRUINS!

  • Jester00

    All that really matters is it Jeff Green is gone And THE Ohio State Buckeyes are going to win a championship

    • Redunkulous

      Jester, how much have you had to drink since you found out about Green’s trade?

      • Jester00

        gallons of beer 5th happiest day of my life

      • Jester00

        i would have traded him for a coupon and Ed Pinckney

    • Dirk Diggler

      Green is gone and I can now start to forget about the trade that cost the Celtics banner 18.

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